tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post115333854659794769..comments2024-02-10T09:55:04.396+02:00Comments on The Death of Johannesburg: A Tour Through Hillbrow, Part 2The Real Realisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14512197893435107223noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-54653687277737866002016-02-20T17:54:48.932+02:002016-02-20T17:54:48.932+02:00hello there does anyone remember my mom Josie Tros...hello there does anyone remember my mom Josie Troskie or josie pretorie or josie standard it would just be nice to know im nadine at 072 767 1461 you can watsup me, call me as well or just find me on google Nadine Troskie she worked at the elizabeth hotel and other hotels as a bar lady in hillbrow<br />Nancy Occupational Health and Wellnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14176267002936691407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-79652817619989615442013-12-04T03:12:56.299+02:002013-12-04T03:12:56.299+02:00How was the Mark?How was the Mark?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-29567439236479950142012-03-23T21:39:01.005+02:002012-03-23T21:39:01.005+02:00The end of the last decent society in Africa...The end of the last decent society in Africa...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-39139991558720186862010-11-22T21:44:10.506+02:002010-11-22T21:44:10.506+02:00I lived in Johannesburg for ten years, eight of th...I lived in Johannesburg for ten years, eight of them at the "Statesman" in Joel Road during the 1970's. I used to think that Jo'burg was one of the world's great cities. How times change! I used to go back there most years on holiday from the UK, staying at the Statesman each time.<br />I last went there early in 1990 and was there when Mandela was released. I saw the black mob chanting through the streets of Hillbrow and realised that the writing was on the wall. Nothing lasts for ever. I just feel glad to have been there in the good times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-39067370150437086332010-10-28T10:58:32.361+02:002010-10-28T10:58:32.361+02:00The day that the western world stops pumping aid i...The day that the western world stops pumping aid into this hopeless,pathetic piece of SHIT continent...is the day that africans will either learn how to survive on their own(haha,can't say that without laughing),which will NEVER happen or become EXTINCT!!!(thats wat WILL happen).Take this from me-an english white South African(my family only voted 4 the progressive federal party,NEVER the apatheid government).I blame both the apartheid-loving white AFRIKAANERS who fucked this place up from the start and the arrogent black man who is impossible to urbanise.I'm off to Vancouver in 2012.This place is falling apart(communist dictatorship in the making) and I've lost my patience with these FUCKING people,i tried hard to believe but I can't,not in this "African dream",it always will be a dream....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-5400039585559270152009-08-11T00:11:34.247+02:002009-08-11T00:11:34.247+02:00To ADK Morristown, the cafe on the 2nd floor , on ...To ADK Morristown, the cafe on the 2nd floor , on the corner of kotze str and pretoria str was Cafe Wien, they served the best chicken soup.fromthebrownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-40437118508354134472008-12-10T00:32:00.000+02:002008-12-10T00:32:00.000+02:00Hard to believe that I spent three of my best year...Hard to believe that I spent three of my best years living at the Sands and the Mark Hotels in 1982 - 1984 whilst studing at the (then) new Wits Technikon campus. Hillbrow used to be THE place to be!<BR/><BR/>I had thought of paying a nostalgic visit when next in SA. Think I'll give it a miss now after having found this website - so sad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-163526771758277142008-07-24T16:30:00.000+02:002008-07-24T16:30:00.000+02:00To the poster above: You are correct in your analy...To the poster above: You are correct in your analysis but for how long will the blacks keep on blaming the whites for everything, instead of for once trying to do something right by themselves? More than once white people have been down shit creek without a paddle, but strangely enough they always sort their shit out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-78984685357042279722008-06-14T07:04:00.000+02:002008-06-14T07:04:00.000+02:00oh my god i cannot believe i lived in the Sands in...oh my god i cannot believe i lived in the Sands in 1987 and had dinner every evening in the dining room with all these old jewish ladies who lived there on a perm basis. what happened to them? and the bar at the Mark was great fun most evenings. it makes me feel more than old to think that these places are finished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-18490560915285478182008-05-10T16:14:00.000+02:002008-05-10T16:14:00.000+02:00i moved to hillbrow in 1984 and was there 4 years!...i moved to hillbrow in 1984 and was there 4 years! Was there a bar called Swingles in the Mark or the Sands? Also was there a hotel called the Protea Gardens in that area?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-63048452992593468762008-05-10T12:09:00.000+02:002008-05-10T12:09:00.000+02:00is there anybody out there who lived in Preston Pl...is there anybody out there who lived in Preston Place, Berea ing the 1980s?ianfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746277568593852047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-60752013264412545432008-05-10T11:53:00.000+02:002008-05-10T11:53:00.000+02:00I arrived in hillbrow in 1984 and stayed for 4 yea...I arrived in hillbrow in 1984 and stayed for 4 years. Was there a bar called swingles in one of the hotels? And was there a hotel called the Protea Gardens in the same area? Can anyone help!ianfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746277568593852047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-22210119008241945292008-02-19T00:57:00.000+02:002008-02-19T00:57:00.000+02:00This is among the most depressing websites I've ev...This is among the most depressing websites I've ever seen, and it's clear that the country is not in good hands. But is it really the fault of "liberals?" Is it just some problem with "the African (= black) mentality"? I have trouble imagining that things could be much different. For 15 (more?) generations 4/5 of the country was kept purposefully away from worthwhile education and opportunities to participate in giving a damn about the place. Everyone knew the end of Apartheid was coming ten years before it came, but no one prepared anyone for anything. Suddenly, one day, the gates are opened, and the country suddenly belongs to this mass of people with no experience running much of anything other than their little township fiefdoms. And suddenly they own it all! Rhodesia knew full well what lay in store for it, and people there had much better opportunities to participate in running the country. It was only when Mugabe went bats***t 5 years ago that the country was destroyed. Prior to that they were the envy of Africa, and lived far better on average than black South Africans, to the point that they were quite pleased to look at themselves in the mirror after looking at what S.A. had become. Of course, Mugabe ruined all that, but the point is that there was no way this was going to turn out differently. It's less a knock on whitey to say this than it is to simply recognize that there can hardly be any other expected outcome given how fast the country was placed in untrained, unskilled and uneducated hands, save for the few who were well prepared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-15587325649920842332008-01-26T23:44:00.000+02:002008-01-26T23:44:00.000+02:00I returned to UK in 1991 and it's now 2008. I till...I returned to UK in 1991 and it's now 2008. I tillmiss it terribly and visiting this website made me so sad. I lived in Hillbrow/Berea/Yeoville for 17 years and loved the nightlife - Barbarellas,La Poupiie (worked there for a few years)even the Marakesh in the 70's. Also loved Rocky Street - Speakeasy and Rumours. Lived at Sands Hotel, Highrise flats and another block in Berea up from the Statesman - miss the life there terribly for what it was, what it's become is devastating to seeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-14229111522741278392007-12-12T01:53:00.000+02:002007-12-12T01:53:00.000+02:00Bella's must still be open!!The place had been th...Bella's must still be open!!The place had been there forever! I lived in Hillbrow in '91. It'll always have a special place in a lot of peoples hearts.fihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11151408649613967153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-28303402009179588492007-12-12T01:47:00.000+02:002007-12-12T01:47:00.000+02:00Bella's!! It must still be there?!?! Had been open...Bella's!! It must still be there?!?! Had been open for forever when i was a regular in '90/'91!! Lived in Berea in '91. A year that i'll never forget! Think Hillbrow will have a special place in many peoples hearts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-58880128599468206322007-09-20T01:59:00.000+02:002007-09-20T01:59:00.000+02:00Hillbrow was such a Beautiful place to live and vi...Hillbrow was such a Beautiful place to live and visit !!<BR/>I lived in Ponty in the 90`s and i used to eat at the English fish and Chip shop on the main road !<BR/>I wonder is the night club BELLAS is still open ?????<BR/>The best Record Shops were in Hillbrow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/>What has happened , Does nobody care ???????????????????benoni skinheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11175286747962660110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-92078509391085795842007-06-02T20:08:00.000+02:002007-06-02T20:08:00.000+02:00Is this not a picture of the old "Flying Saucer" C...Is this not a picture of the old "Flying Saucer" Cafe? You could buy great ice cream there in the '60's. If not, is it still there? I too felt like crying - we always used to go to Johannesburg in the school holidays on the train - could walk around Johannesburg no problem. What a shame - but you can take them out of the bush but you can't take the bush out of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-17868986104832598452007-03-04T14:25:00.000+02:002007-03-04T14:25:00.000+02:00Luckily there is a light at the end of this dark t...Luckily there is a light at the end of this dark tunnel of destruction, it's got a red ribbon tied around it and that ribbon is also a racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1162488835547507062006-11-02T19:33:00.000+02:002006-11-02T19:33:00.000+02:00What a load of mumbo jumbo blaming everything on a...What a load of mumbo jumbo blaming everything on aprtheid and a lack of education. How short memories are.<BR/><BR/>You do not have to go to school to learn good hygiene, cleanliness, how to be neat and tidy and rfespect for your own, other people's an public property. Your parents teach you that at home.<BR/><BR/>And remember the poor whites/Afrikaners after the Boer War. Did they go on a rampage of destruction or live in filthy hovels as a poor defeated people? No. They had their self respect and seta about uplifting themselves through hard work and education. All of SA owes theem a huge debt of gratitude.<BR/><BR/>Bootom line: stop looking for excuses and some external circumstance to blame for these failings. <BR/><BR/>If it is to be it is up to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1162330175828754252006-10-31T23:29:00.000+02:002006-10-31T23:29:00.000+02:00I stayed at the Mark, which had just opened, when ...I stayed at the Mark, which had just opened, when my son was born. It was a beautiful place. We also had an apartment in "Aintree" for a few months and we used the Sands Hotel when friends and relatives came to visit. So sad......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1159470978287901052006-09-28T21:16:00.000+02:002006-09-28T21:16:00.000+02:00are these hotels still open?are these hotels still open?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1158163599037605432006-09-13T18:06:00.000+02:002006-09-13T18:06:00.000+02:00HiI am refugee from the RSA, got a new RSA passpor...Hi<BR/>I am refugee from the RSA, got a new RSA passport this year. I voted NO in the 1993. I new that the new RSA will look like on the pictures. In the 1975-1980 I used to stay in Hillbrow Berea, in Mark Hotel as a resident. Remember early 1980 flats were sold in High Rise for 25 000 rand, bachelor.<BR/>I think the rest of the RSA will go Hillbrow. In 2005 I was in JHB and feel lucky to be alive.<BR/>Keep going this direction, wish you luck.<BR/>From WarsawAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1155805592399055392006-08-17T11:06:00.000+02:002006-08-17T11:06:00.000+02:00Neither money, changes of government, foreign aid ...Neither money, changes of government, foreign aid or the football world cup in 2010 are going to turn S.Africa around. After all,it is on the tip of the continent of AFRICA; what else could anyone expect. African Renaissance? - HA! Dream on .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30988156.post-1155523871370475652006-08-14T04:51:00.000+02:002006-08-14T04:51:00.000+02:00I had a friend in Australia who had her camera cut...I had a friend in Australia who had her camera cut off her arm and her handbag stolen out of her friends flat - so they have it tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com